Long before we debated Ali vs Tyson we argued about Jack Dempsey vs Joe Louis, writes Jack Hirsch
DREAM FIGHTS, those that match boxers from different eras, is always a fun conversation to have. And since they can’t take place, opinions can never be proven wrong. In that scenario, everyone becomes an expert. Go on social media and you’ll see thousands of them. They will talk about Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali and argue about the outcome of a fight had they met in their primes. On Boxing News’ channels, it’s the fantasy fight that is unquestionably the most debated.
is another dream fight that is now scarcely mentioned that once invoked great
discussion. It goes to prove that time moves on.
Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis were intertwined for decades as not only two of the greatest heavyweight champions in history, but a favorite subject of debate as to who would have beaten whom. Dempsey, the champion from 1919 to 1926, had the more explosive career while Louis the more distinguished one when he reigned from 1937 to 1949. Dempsey vs Louis stood out above the rest until Ali came along and joined the conversation.
proclaiming himself as “The Greatest”, Ali was injected into the debate. So
much so, that in the February 1967 issue of The Ring, Louis granted an
interview that was headlined, How I Would Have Clobbered Clay. In giving
his reasons why, Louis questioned both Ali’s courage and ability to fight off
of the ropes. Of course we now know that both turned out to be among Ali’s
Ali’s whole career the consensus was that Louis would have beaten him in a
hypothetical matchup, but today you can scarcely find anyone who would pick the
“Brown Bomber” to prevail. Again, it speaks of time passing and memories being
once had an iconic status as great as Ali’s. And as unimaginable as it sounds
now, the day might come when the public undervalue Ali’s impact.
for Tyson, the public won’t let go. Even at age 54 there are those who actually
think he could cause havoc in the heavyweight division thanks to seeing some
carefully edited clips of him whacking bags and pads.
of other great heavyweight champions enter the arguments but it is the most
charismatic ones that stir the emotions the most.
Fleischer was the founder and editor of The Ring and knew more than most
about the sport yet his opinions would today be scoffed at. He lived from 1884
to 1972, seeing every heavyweight champion box at ringside from James J Corbett
through to Ali. Fleischer also claimed to have seen John L. Sullivan box in
exhibitions at carnivals.
always favoured the old-timers that shaped his younger days. Ali was not even
in his top 10 list of heavyweights. But Fleischer was willing to gently bend
once in a while. He had Dempsey at four and Louis in sixth, but surprisingly
said he thought that Joe’s superior ring generalship would have seen him
prevail in a head-to-head matchup.
is highly doubtful that if Fleischer were still around his views on the modern
boxers would have changed. I recall a conversation with Fleischer where he said
Ali might have given Jack Johnson a good fight for six rounds. It was intended
as a compliment toward Ali, being that Johnson was number one on Fleischer’s
world heavyweight champion Jack Sharkey once said how wonderful it would be if
all the dream fights discussed could actually take place. I beg to differ,
because it would then eliminate the healthy arguments that we so much enjoy